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  • 16 Jul 2020 4:30 PM
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    Message # 9107031
    Anonymous

    Hey all,

    Looking to see if anyone out there is currently working with a digital form of data collection forms.

    If you are, I am interested to know what you do or do not like about it.

    If you are not, I'd love to know what you'd want out of one.

    Cheers,
  • 30 Jul 2020 1:59 PM
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    Reply # 9135526 on 9107031
    Anonymous

    Hi David, I'm working on this for my own use. The current H2K workflow is ridiculous. 

    Want to have a call about it?

    Nigel Protter

    604-698-6148
  • 15 Aug 2020 10:46 AM
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    Reply # 9166367 on 9107031
    Anonymous

    One of the service organizations in Ontario has developed an app using .xml that uploads and creates the H2K file .... I haven't used the app  .... so don't know how good it is ... I believe it is a pay per use fee .... 
  • 16 Aug 2020 1:50 PM
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    Reply # 9168124 on 9107031
    Anonymous

    I'd be cautious about jumping on an xml workflow that isn't "blessed" by NRCan. H2K issues entity "IDs" and other identifiers behind the scenes for all things things like walls, windows, etc as they are created, and embeds deep links to those Ids in registers that aren't exposed in the xml file data. Also ERS results are protected by encrypted hashes, so you have to synchronize inputs and results via H2k internal codes and cannot do so with external methods. I have an extensive xml workflow that I developed my self and use for testing but you have to very careful about file corruption with commercial files. I have seen some very strange results when messing with entity ids.
  • 16 Aug 2020 3:01 PM
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    Reply # 9168256 on 9107031
    Anonymous

    Robert, can you say which SO is doing the xml software? I'd like to contact them. 
  • 19 Aug 2020 12:55 PM
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    Reply # 9176246 on 9107031
    Deleted user

    I've been adding content to my .hse and .h2k files in a automated way for a long time. I'm filling in administrative data at the beginning of a project, creating window codes and submission preparation including QA checks.

    I haven't pursued a automated process for data entry because half of the data entry time is from window data which is being manually read from pdf drawings anyway. Reading architectural data from the CAD drawings would be pretty slick.

    Nigel, I encountered what you describe with the ID's when I worked with the window codes. I'm modifying .h2k data rather than creating new components, so its mostly been straightforward.

    Stan
  • 21 Aug 2020 9:53 AM
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    Reply # 9181514 on 9168256
    Toby Smith
    Nigel Protter wrote:

    Robert, can you say which SO is doing the xml software? I'd like to contact them. 


    Hi Nigel, I'm aware of the product in Ontario. I haven't used it but heard from former colleagues that it works pretty well. The other main advantage is that it streamlines all the paperwork for existing home incentive programs. You only have to enter data in once and all the forms are created as pre-populated pdf's, ready for the customers signature.  The SO is Canada Energy Audit, and the contacts are Hamed Ghanbari and Nasser Keshmirshekan. Hamed is the Canada Energy Audit EA while Nasser is the main software developer. The product is called 'econest'. I know that NRCan is aware of their product, but don't endorse it. Their email addresses are hamed.ghanbari@econest and nasser.keshmirshekan@econest.ca.

    NRCan also has two contracts with two companies to produce both a new homes and existing homes tool to automate the process of takeoffs and data collection. There may be some prototypes to try soon.
  • 24 Aug 2020 9:14 AM
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    Anonymous
    Toby Smith wrote:

    NRCan also has two contracts with two companies to produce both a new homes and existing homes tool to automate the process of takeoffs and data collection. There may be some prototypes to try soon.


    Toby, do you have any more information on these projects?
  • 10 Dec 2020 12:17 PM
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    Reply # 9419740 on 9107031
    Toby Smith

    Sorry David, just saw this now. The one company I am familiar with is Volta Research and they are demonstrating the prototype to us Dec. 21st. I'll try and post some comments about it. They are calling it the 'Hot2000 Takeoff App' and it's primarily made for new homes takeoffs from plans.
  • 11 Dec 2020 7:51 PM
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    Reply # 9423513 on 9107031
    Anonymous

    Thanks Toby, I look forward to hearing about it.
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