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Excessive Heat Gain from window

  • 18 Nov 2021 11:17 AM
    Message # 12135519

    Trying to help a client (home builder) figure this one out. 

    In a home facing SouthWest, a room will often reach temperatures in excess of 30C. The home was new build in 2019, occupants moved in in 2020. Window measured 96"x68", two operable casement sections with a large picture window in the middle. Picture is rated with an SHGC of .57 and casements with .46. I've check using a EDTM solar transmission and power meter, the solar transmission was out 57-58 so right in line, but when I switched to BTU/Sq foot, it rose up to 132. The home had an HVAC design that used  a .45 SHGC window (builder didn't update designer in between). LowE is on surface 3. Even when calculating everything for this room, it shouldn't be reaching the temperatures it does. When looking at it through a thermal camera, the glass even with curtains open is 95F on the interior. Some of the surfaces the sun strikes are also being heated beyond into the 90's and in some cases over 100F. 

    Looking for thoughts as to what might cause the excessive gain as even when using plain glass the room shouldn't be able to heat up as much as it does.

  • 18 Nov 2021 9:08 PM
    Reply # 12136438 on 12135519
    Deleted user

    STC irradiance is 1000W/m^2.  That's 317 BTU/sf.


  • 19 Nov 2021 8:21 AM
    Reply # 12137245 on 12135519
    Anonymous

    Is there a chance the window glazing's (Ie: LowE surface) got installed backwards? 

  • 19 Nov 2021 3:38 PM
    Reply # 12137987 on 12135519

    The glazing, according to the manufacturers technical rep is supposed to have the LowE installed on surface 3. 

    When I went to site it was detected as being on surface 3. I hadn't told the rep what surface I found it on, I asked what it was supposed to be one before letting on that I had measured it so that I didn't get an answer that conveniently agreed with my findings.

  • 20 Nov 2021 6:26 AM
    Reply # 12138785 on 12135519
    Deleted user

    30-35C surface temperature for a window in direct sun doesn't surprise me.  Where's your math?  A SW-facing window can be expected to absorb 200W/m^2 in direct sun during the afternoon and evening.

  • 20 Nov 2021 8:30 AM
    Reply # 12138998 on 12135519

    OK, but it's still allowing surfaces within the space that the sun strikes to reach 42-43C. The wall on the opposite side of the room when the sun is hitting it, has been over 40C in my site visit in October and November.

    Also, what math? I'm unaware of any calculations I can do to figure out what the temperature of the glass *should* be or how much heat it should allow into the room. I do know when I model the window in F280 software though, on that orientation with that SHGC though, it's only allowing for 44 btuh/ft, which to me stands to reason, as i nmy own home I've got .52 SHGC south facing windows and when measuring those 2 days prior to my site visit, I was only getting 33btuh/foot. If there's some calculations I can do to compare actual to what's expected, I'd really appreciate it if you could enlighten me.

    The glass being that temperature isn't the surprising part. It's the temperature within the room being above 30C in November when the exterior temperature is 12C. The builder has built this model home a number of times on this orientation and it hasn't been a problem until this particular instance/street.

  • 20 Nov 2021 1:39 PM
    Reply # 12139318 on 12135519
    Deleted user

    As I wrote above, full sun on a clear day is about 1000W/m^2, or 317 BTU/hr/sf.  For glazing with a 50% SHGC, you should measure around 150BTU/hr/sf.  Given the readings you are reporting, is sounds like your EDTM meter is crap.

    I live near 45 degrees N.  On this mostly sunny afternoon when the sun was around 215 degrees and shining into my SW-facing living room window, the glass temperature was 26C.  The outside air temperature was 2C, and the surface temperature of my living room coffee table was 50C.  The window is double-glazed clear 3mm glass.

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