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Greener Homes Program Questions for NRCan

  • 15 Jul 2021 6:52 PM
    Message # 10754538

    THIS SURVEY IS NOW CLOSED

    Members are encouraged to ask their questions about the Greener Homes Program that we can share with NRCan and seek clarification and direction for EAs and homeowners.

    Use the following SurveyMonkey questionnaire to pose your questions and areas that require clarification:

    https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/HG9SWHJ

    Feel free to also reach out to me directly at manager@cacea.ca.

    Last modified: 3 Nov 2021 9:08 AM | Cindy Gareau
  • 27 Oct 2021 8:55 AM
    Reply # 12013439 on 10754538
    Anonymous

    Has anyone run into the situation where a new ccASHP is being retrofit with the existing high efficiency furnace?

    The GHG website notes:

    "Note: The Greener Homes program is intended to provide grants for heat pump systems which distribute heat to the entire home, regardless of whether the system is a central ducted or ductless system. The Greener Homes program is not intended to provide grants for heat pumps that only service a portion of the house such as one or two rooms in the house, or only a home addition. The requirement does not necessarily need to be based on peak-load heating, as this can lead to excessive cycling on/off of the system. In some cases, there may be a home design where the heat pump provides heating to the entire home during the bulk of the heating days, and then a backup supplementary heating system provides heating to the entire home after a certain cut-off temperature for th very cold days.

    The specific system needs to be determined in consultation with the mechanical contractor and a sizing guide tool, such as the one offered by Natural Resources Canada. The heat pump system is not typically sized to deliver 100% of the peak heating load as this could lead to an oversized system which frequently cycles on/off. Mechanical contractors should design a system that optimizes the energy savings for a house and increase the comfort of occupants. The design should account for the anticipated heat requirements based on other planned energy efficiency upgrades to the building envelope (such as insulation, windows or air sealing upgrades) in order to avoid oversizing the unit as they can have a significant impact on the heating load requirements of the house."

    But there is also a note:

    "For central ducted systems, if part of the cold climate air source heat pump listed systems, the furnace or air handler must always be the specified matching unit.

    So HVAC professionals can design and calculate, but then it HAS to be on the list? 

    Meanwhile back in the Webinar on Hot2000 and heat pumps from July 22, 2021 there is a slide that states:
    Only the electric ASHP component of the a hybrid system is eligible for a Greener Homes incentive.

    Your thoughts and input are greatly appreciated.


  • 28 Oct 2021 9:48 AM
    Reply # 12076462 on 10754538

    Hello David, it is where it gets a bit tricky.  From my understanding they are looking for the ASHP to be on the list and to get the AHRI #, which means the ASHP, the coil and the existing furnace would need to have a rating.

    Does that make sense?  The problem may be that its not likely with a rating (but note an AHRI# can be given to systems after the fact.  I believe a contractor can request it).  Whether or not it complies is another thing.

    This was brought up to NRCan on previous webinars because its pretty impractical.  There would be no reason for the homeowner to replace an efficient furnace.  It seemed that the goal was to give funding to an ASHP to do most of the operation of heating and so it doesn't seem to be a concern for them that the grant may be hard to achieve in the situation.

  • 29 Oct 2021 8:30 AM
    Reply # 12081782 on 10754538

    I have shared this with NRCan and they are looking at the wording currently.  The technical group is also looking at Heat Pumps. They are also planning on sharing an FAQ on Heat pumps ideally next week.



    Last modified: 29 Oct 2021 8:31 AM | Cindy Gareau
  • 2 Nov 2021 7:02 PM
    Reply # 12094404 on 10754538

    On the topic of heating systems and Greener Homes... I have a client with only electric baseboard as their heating source right now and looking at a ccASHP that is on the NRCan approved list from the website. All of the scenarios in the guidance document refer to a system that includes an existing or upgraded furnace so I’m not sure if they’ll qualify for the grant. They tried the call center number to get an answer but were referred back to the grant eligibility page. Has anyone run into this and had clarification from NRCan?

  • 3 Nov 2021 8:04 AM
    Reply # 12095805 on 10754538
    Anonymous

    The grant states:
    Cold climate air source heat pumps (ccASHP)
    Install a complete new or replacement variable capacity cold climate air source heat pump (ccASHP) system, intended to service the entire home. (see Note below table)

    Having an existing baseboard system should not be an issue.

  • 3 Nov 2021 9:07 AM
    Reply # 12095925 on 10754538

    If you have not done so already, please respond to CACEA's communication survey.  CACEA will use this information to guide NRCan's communications around the CGHG.

    https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/YH3N8CC

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